The final rule for the consolidation of the MMC (Merchant Marine Credential) has been published and caused a great uproar from mariners across the country including license holders within the ranks of the USCG. The subsequent comment period was ignored by the rule-makers when it came to the actual license itself. The issue that is contested, almost to a man, concerns the proper format of the “traditional” license. The new M.M.C. abandons the old style license in favor of a passport style booklet. It’s understandable that the need for consolidation can and should be accommodated but the traditional license should have never been left out of the mix. It was apparent during and after the issue was proposed that the MMC was going to happen, the surprise for the Coast Guard came when the unholy din arose surrounding the diploma style license we all know and respect. After the final rule was published, Capt Joel Milton ran an article on his blog displaying a response from a Mr. Jeffrey Lantz who was apparently caught in the crosshairs and forced to give an explanation of our feckless Coast Guard’s behavior and failure to address this issue as part of the final rule, and he sounded surprised that there was an uproar.
I won’t go into the entire letter, I’ll just take this opportunity to “cherry pick” a gem from within said response. In their haste to accomplish their main goal of reducing the number of documents we need to carry,(by the way, thanks for that) and the numerous appearances said documents require, the Coast Guard demonstrated an incredible lack of concern regarding the document we all recognize as our ticket. When it comes to the Office of Marine Inspection the USCG may spout tradition and honor as a mantra, but it certainly falls by the wayside in a hurry when it suits their needs. And as I read Mr. Lantz’s letter, it seems it’s being denigrated as quaintly sentimental and a hokey kind of traditional. What a pair!
The issue of maintaining a proper diploma style license was supported by every mariner asked, not a few but all.
MERPAC was generous and accommodated the issue of the new MMC but also recommended the traditional license be offered as an optional issue. I submit the license is more important as a badge of honor than a credential. By the way, how does one post the new passport style booklet?
I noted a patently ridiculous statement in the response from Mr. Lantz, specifically; “There are numerous factors to consider in deciding whether or not to also provide a “suitable for framing copy of the license.” These include the availability of Coast Guard resources, including personnel, paper stock, hardware, software and equipment, and the process for determining and collecting fees.”
Is he kidding me? One piece of paper? Doesn’t that infrastructure already exist? Is it too much of a reach to tack a fee on the application to include the “traditional framing copy” and process it along with everything else. What issue would any of us have with a note on the document stating it is “for display only”. How many lawyers do you need to consult regarding those three words?
The next time you walk into your doctor’s office, take note of how many diplomas he or she has on the wall. Does it inspire confidence to see proof out in the open that your practitioner is well qualified to handle your situation, or would you rather ask to see some ID just as you’re disrobing for an examination? C’mon Doc, let’s get out the wallet.
The time it would take to send the data to a printer and the ink it would require wouldn’t amount to 2 minutes or cost more than a dime. The paper adds a quarter, and the personnel time load would be an additional 10 seconds to enter the check mark and push enter. Paper, equipment, personnel? I’m sure there will be about 200,000 license blanks going to a landfill if these folks don’t come to their senses. Talk about a waste. Hey, think green!
Enough with the bullshit already….charge another $5.00 and issue the license we all want. If we have to cough up a couple of bucks it’ll be worth it to you to keep us quiet and you’ll have pin money for the next budget shortfall.
Don’t thank me now, but feel free to drop me a line if you need any more help.
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Absolutely agree. I just received my passport sized Merchant Mariner Credential the other day. While I am proud of my accomplishment in finally being able to achieve it. I too would like to have a certificate that I could hang in the cabin of my boat even if I had to pay extra money to get it.
I am wondering if there is anything that we as merchant mariners can do to have the Coast Guard reconsider their decision. Also, I am wondering if there is any LEGITIMATE organizations who might be able to provide a diploma-style certificate to licensed officers… although even as I type it I recognize that it would be a poor alternative.
I would think that an “approved” provider (eg; the GPO) would be able to create and make “legacy documents” available in conjunction with the NMC. But as far as I can tell, the NMC has enough on it’s plate getting things running on an even keel. I wouldn’t think it would take an awful lot of extra work to issue a “legacy document”, but I’m not privy to what changes would be necessary to accommodate the issue.
Let’s give them the chance to put the NMC in shape and running as smoothly as it can before we ask for anything more. Captain Stalfort is making progress, it seems the least we can do at this point.
My renewal last year took about 4 months or so from start to finish. I recently submitted paperwork for an endorsement and it was in hand within 4 weeks.
Progress is being made, let’s hope the momentum continues….
I too jut received my MMC, what a disapointment! While it is more convienent to carry than the legacy license. I sure loved that ticket. I’m glad i was able to get on before this new one came into affect. We as a group should start a movement to get the others optionally printed. I’d sure be willing to pay more than 5 bucks. This could be a money maker for the USCG.
I must say the new NMC has been great. License from app to in my hand only a few weeks which even involved an exam at the NY Reg Exam center. Time from exam to issue 5 days……thats incredible. Cudos to then for this as well as the website, and being able to follow the progress of the app and updates by email.
I too just received my MMC, what a disappointment! While it is more convienent to carry than the legacy license. I sure loved that ticket. I’m glad i was able to get one before this new one came into effect. We as a group should start a movement to get the others optionally printed. I’d sure be willing to pay more than 5 bucks. This could be a money maker for the USCG.
I must say the new NMC has been great. License from app to in my hand only a few weeks which even involved an exam at the NY Reg Exam center. Time from exam to issue 5 days……thats incredible. Kudos to them for this as well as the website, and being able to follow the progress of the app and updates by email
any news yet??????
As far as “Legacy Documents”, no. I don’t expect it’s a priority for the NMC at this point.
I just received my MMC today in the mail and could not agree more. It would have even be nice to have the option for a drivers license type laminated card. I would pay additional money for both.
I feel it was a real accomplishment to obtain the license, I worked hard to do so, and the documents to not reflect the pride of ownership of such a license.
Chief Dave’
I went in in December to sit for my CE Unlimited Motor endorsement to add to my Chief Steam/Gas Turbine Unlimited and passed the test then was issued that phony passport thing with a “domestic” limitation on my chiefs license and I can’t fly to my ship and am losing a ton of money because of them
Dave, a question and then a comment.
Is the reason you’ve been issued a “domestic limitation” because of an outstanding STCW issue?
And my comment; the passport is in fact legit and is your license from this day forward. It’s not a “phony”, but in keeping with the international standard that the US has been slow (think molasses)to adopt. If you’d care to, please let me know how things turn out.
I think that Dave Golden works on a tugboat and only traverses within the US of A, hence the “domestic limitation”!
Also this is a nice site to post your personal opinions and rants !
Thanks for sharing the info on your renewal, it was very entertaining,
I am renewing my MMC right now!,
and this time I waited until the day it expired !
(The last renewal was one year in advance, & received it in 10 days!)
I hope they (NMC) take a long time to renew it this time,
as I can use a vacation!,
I have saved up my money for past 20+ years!,
and can afford about 5 years off !
All the best !
Tony
So what you’re saying is that you’ve made your fortune and can now kick back. Good for you, enjoy. 30 more years and I quit.
Great Article. Thanks for the info. Does anyone know where I can find a CG 719K form?
Google the National Maritime Center. The USCG provides links for all original and renewal documents.